From the Fortress of Solitude
Pleasant Grove
Hello All,
Tonight is the annual Mattson Christmas Party. It is always nice to get together to catch up on family news and see how all the cousins are growing. I'll take my camera and capture a few startling photos of the us being our peculiar selves.
Today we want to meet Anne Stanhope, our 1st cousin 16 times removed. We begin with the Relationship Chart.
Anne Stanhope (1510 - 1587)
is your 1st cousin 16x removed
Elizabeth Bourchier (1474 - 1557)
Mother of Anne
Fulke Bourchier (1445 - 1479)
Father of Elizabeth
John Bourchier (1470 - 1539)
Son of Fulke
John Bourchier (1499 - 1560)
Son of John
Elizabeth Bowchiew (1518 - 1570)
Daughter of John
Richard Chase (1542 - 1611)
Son of Elizabeth
Aquila Chase (1580 - 1670)
Son of Richard
Aquila Chase (1618 - 1670)
Son of Aquila
Sarah Chase (1647 - 1726)
Daughter of Aquila
Abraham Annis (1668 - 1748)
Son of Sarah
John Annis (1700 - 1770)
Son of Abraham
Ezra Annis (1726 - 1818)
Son of John
Abigail Annis (1771 - )
Daughter of Ezra
Phineas Swift (1786 - 1854)
Son of Abigail
Elmira Swift (1809 - 1903)
Daughter of Phineas
Isabella Denora McCrillis (1851 - 1896)
Daughter of Elmira
Vesta Althea Dennis (1892 - 1978)
Daughter of Isabella Denora
Volet Mae Pierce (1918 - 1987)
Daughter of Vesta Althea
Luella, Linda, John and Marvin
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Edward Seymour (left and right - actor Max Brown who played Edward in the Miniseries "The Tudors"), husband of Anne was Uncle to Edward I of England and brother in law to Henry VIII of England. His sister Anne Seymour was Henry's third wife and mother to Henry's only male heir and future King, Edward.
Edward Tudor, future Edward I. Son of Henry VIII and Anne Seymour.
His Aunt through marriage was our Anne Standhope, married to his Uncle Edward.
Anne Seymour, Duchess of Somerset (née Stanhope) (c. 1510 – 16 April 1587) was the second wife of Edward Seymour, 1st Duke of Somerset, who held the office of Lord Protector during the first part of the reign of his nephew King Edward VI, through whom Anne was briefly the most powerful woman in England. She claimed (without success or entitlement) precedence over the Dowager Queen Catherine Parr.
Anne was born at Sudbury in Suffolk in about 1510, the daughter of Sir Edward Stanhope, of Sudbury (1462 – 6 June 1511) and Elizabeth Bourchier. She had two half-brothers from her father's first marriage to Avelina Clifford. They were Richard Stanhope, and Sir Michael Stanhope.
Her paternal grandparents were Sir Thomas Stanhope and Mary Jerningham, and her maternal grandparents were Fulke Bourchier, 2nd Baron Fitzwaryn and Elizabeth Dynham. Through her mother, Anne was a descendant of Thomas of Woodstock, the youngest son of King Edward III of England and Philippa of Hainault.
Anne's snobbery and pride were considered to be intolerable, yet she was highly intelligent and determined.Antonio de Guaras, a Spanish merchant living in London, would later say of her, that she was "more presumptuous than Lucifer".
At some undetermined date between 9 March 1534 and 1535, Anne married Sir Edward Seymour, the eldest brother of Jane Seymour, becoming his second wife. Jane Seymour, Sir Edward's sister, became the third wife of King Henry VIII of England in 1536. Shortly after the king's marriage to Jane, Edward was elevated to Viscount Beauchamp; less than a year and a half later, in October 1537, he was again elevated, from viscount to earl, becoming the first Earl of Hertford (first creation). In 1547, Edward was further elevated to a dukedom, and Anne was thus styled as the Duchess of Somerset.
Edward's first marriage, about 1527, to Catherine Fillol, was annulled. His second marriage was before 9 March 1534 to Anne Stanhope.
Anne had ten children from her marriage to Edward.
- Edward Seymour, Viscount Beauchamp of Hache (12 October 1537–1539)
- Edward Seymour, 1st Earl of Hertford (second creation of that title) (22 May 1539–1621), married firstly in November 1560, Lady Catherine Grey, by whom he had two sons; he married secondly in 1582, Frances Howard; and thirdly in 1601, Frances Prannell.
- Lord Henry Seymour (1540–?) married Lady Joan Percy, daughter of Thomas Percy, 7th Earl of Northumberland
- Lady Margaret Seymour (1540 - ?) noted Elizabethan author
- Lady Jane Seymour (1541–1561) Maid of Honour to Queen Elizabeth I, noted Elizabethan author
- Lady Anne Seymour (d. 1588), married firstly John Dudley, 2nd Earl of Warwick; she married secondly Sir Edward Unton, by whom she had issue.
- Lady Catherine Seymour
- Lord Thomas Seymour (1548–1574), unmarried and without issue
- Lady Mary Seymour (born 1552) married three times (Andrew Rogers, of Bryanstone, Dorset; Sir Henry Peyton, General Francis Cosbie)
- Lady Elizabeth Seymour (1552 – 3 June 1602), married Sir Richard Knightley, of Northamptonshire
Queen Jane Seymour stood godmother to Anne's first child, Edward, who was born in February 1537. The ceremony was held at Chester Place; besides the queen, Thomas Cromwell and Princess Mary also acted as godparents.This first Edward died at the age of two. A second son was born May 1539 and given the same name. This (second) Edward would be raised to the second creation of the title of Earl of Hertford by Elizabeth I, and subsequently marry a close claimant to the English throne, Lady Catherine Grey, by whom he had two sons.
Anne was present at the wedding ceremony of Henry VIII and Catherine Parr on 12 July 1543.After Henry VIII's death, Edward Seymour acted as King in all but name. With this power, Anne considered herself the first lady of the realm, claiming precedence over Catherine, Henry VIII's widow, following the latter's marriage to Anne's brother-in-law, Thomas Seymour.
Anne considered that the Dowager Queen forfeited her rights of precedence when she married the younger brother of Anne's husband. Anne refused to bear Catherine's train, and even physically tried to push her out of her place at the head of their entrances and exits at court.Anne was quoted as having said of Catherine, "If master admiral (Thomas Seymour) teach his wife no better manners, I am she that will".Catherine, in her turn, privately referred to Anne as "that Hell".Catherine Parr won the battle by invoking the Third Succession Act which clearly stated that Catherine had precedence over all ladies in the realm; in point of fact, as regards precedence, Anne came after Queen Catherine, Lady Mary, Lady Elizabeth and Anne of Cleves. The Duchess, who was described as a "violent woman", wielded considerable power for a short time, which later would reflect negatively on her husband's reputation.
As Lord Protector Edward Seymour wielded almost royal authority. However, he lost his position of power following a show-down between the Privy Council and himself in October 1549. He and his wife were imprisoned in the Tower of London. The Duchess was released after a short time,Somerset himself in January 1550. According to the Imperial ambassador Jehan de Scheyfye, Anne Seymour had made daily visits to the house of the de facto new ruler, John Dudley, Earl of Warwick, who soon allowed Somerset to rejoin the Privy Council. The Duchess of Somerset and the Countess of Warwick then arranged a marriage between their respective eldest son and daughter, Anne Seymour and John Dudley.Somerset fell again into disgrace in October 1551, when he was arrested on charges of conspiring against Warwick, who had recently been created Duke of Northumberland. Somerset was convicted of felony on 1 December 1551 and beheaded on 22 January 1552 on Tower Hill. The Duchess of Somerset had been arrested with her husband and continued in the Tower until 30 May 1553. After Mary I's accession in July and the attainder of the Duke of Northumberland she was allowed to choose from the Dudley family's confiscated household stuffs
She lived out the rest of her life at Shelford. She died on 16 April 1587 and was buried in Westminster Abbey, London.where her tomb with its painted effigy can be viewed.
Don't publish this, but just read if you like! Or if you publish, let' take away some info that is too much in detail (or is there any such):
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Hello!
I ended in your blogspot as I was looking for something about my (German / French) Huguenot ancestors, who had ended in Estonia and from there to St. Petersburg. From Estonia I found some information that they had their roots in Sweden. (Somewhat strange that some people moved from Sweden to Estonia, but those have been the times when the Bernadotte became the King of Sweden and I am not sure he was a Protestant, but maybe some Catholic...) What ever the reason I found that some people with their suname had ended in America as well. However, I am interested in the Huguenots and where they have ended and I found your blog when trying to find some picture of some Huguenot in the internet - maybe some Coat of Arms. Then I suddenly found your wonderful picture "Huguenot Lovers" and decided to ask you, if you could allow me to use it somewhere. I don't know yet where. May I?
This, however, is how I ended in your pages. The next thing is that I have been living in Stockholm for about 30 years, so if you still need somebody who could help you with the Swedish language - I can. I am born in Finland and live at the moment here so I know Finnish as well. Just contact me if you have some problems with these places and languages.
Well! When I was on your pages I found that your relative in Sweden had the surname "Mattson". I also have such Swedish relatives! But they are not from so far North, but the place is Västerås, Sala, Kila and Tullstad - not so far away from Stockholm. There was a farmer by name Matts Mattson (dates unknown), but his wife was born 1776 and died 25.10.1862. They had tree sons: Lars (1803 - lived later than 1874), Jan (1806-1863) who went on having the farm, Anders (my ancestor) and a girl called Johanna. Anders left for Stockholm and took another surname and soon had a Church Pipe Organ factory here in Finland. He has been to Oulu around 1839 building some Church Organs there. But the distances here must have been a lot in those days. He married well and his son, who went on having the factory, maybe still better. But I can think of that nobody was really rich here in those times and there seems to have been also a lack of food now and then in those times. What about that Lars Mattson - what happened to him and where did he end? He was some kind of a smith?
I don't know if there is any more information available about these people called "Mattson" in Sweden or if this is what one has to be pleased with. However, much is put into the internet nowadays. There has been some relatives called Mattson from Sweden looking around his places here in Finland. So there are some such living relatives. But what about your relatives in Finland - did you already get some match? Who was this Ervasti? It might be a somewhat wellknown name here!
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I even did some seaches with my ancestors surname somewhere in the internet and received an answer that there was somone called "Wachsmuth" in America. Some with that surname even had some page, but I immediately left the page as I felt I had nothing with those people to do. That name can as well be in Australia and Asia! But I have also noticed a strange problem with information about American people and I am going to tell it to you here, but maybe you shouldn't talk so much about it - or maybe even the opposite! It seem as if there were some people in America, who were just "nobodies" by their roots when they left, but in America they have taken identieties of people who were more like "somebodies" here. For sure they didn't think that there would one day be the internet and all birth and death registers were put there and this might revieled later that they have been using false names - even other people whole identities. Maybe they thought that they wanted to start a new life in America with a new identity and nobody knew it was someones elses identity and false used by them! It would be nice if someone investigated this fact there in America. Is this just my imagination or is this what really happened?
There was also a book by author Theodore Dreiser written in the times after the Russian Revolution (1917) by the title "The Titan", where he tells in detail how this use of other person's name will be done. People who had been even in prisons entered a new place and started a new life with someone elses identity. And they infiltrated into the highest social classes and started to influence the life of the community from there - and they succeeded. In that book even some names of American presidents are mentioned. I found this very disgusting, but the book ist the best I have ever red. That book is no longer available any where even if some books with similar names might be published later. I got the book in Swedish from the local library archive and bought it in some antikvariat in the internet. However, there were some hints somewhere that this book has been translated into Russish recently and published . Is it now the turn of the Russian people to use this method when leaving to foreign places far away abroad and thinking that they will never return, but make them selves successful there?
I started to search for the Huguenots in the internet already sometimes maybe around the year 1995, but then I found nothing. Now there seems to be much more - at least people are looking for their Huguenot roots. There were the times when the Huguenots (French Protestant Wars) left for America, about 50-60.000 left for areas somewhere in the Netherlands, 20-30.000 for Germany/Preussia and about 2000 to Scadinavia. These were the first to be called "refugees" and "emigres or emigrants" that means you have to leave your country for some political or religious reasons. A lot of them went to Irland and England, but there they have ingrated with the local population and even with that Church. (See Wikipedia if you want to know more). However, my Huguenot relatives ended in St. Petersburg in Russia, where this new and beautiful city was being built with windows open to Europe!
But my ancestors and relatives in St. Petersburg were killed there in the times of the revolution (1917). And as I have understood they suffered hunger and cold in their houses. But a strange thing was surely that Russia had foreign higher classes in their society. So what I know, the so called Emigrants where some upper class people, who had been confiscated their property and money. It surely was not easy to leave the country without nothing - many even without identity documents. And many thought they would go back one day, but returning never became the real possibility, but the First World War was soon follow by the next one. And many people just managed to make their living from day to day and survived.
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However, my grandmother had been an Opera singer in St. Petersburg and singing main roles there. Once when I entered some American register and tried for fun the names of her childhood family, I got a match for the whole family. I was just shocked! Her parents had been killed in St. Petersburg so there could not be any persons with their names! However, the woman with my grandmothers name had an "e" as the last letter in her name, but my grandmother had an "a". And that woman had not got married and didn't have any children. My grandmother carried later the surname of her husband and had several children. But as I said - I was really shocked and have been somewhat cautious since that with all names people give. They surely can be someone elses! The books also tell that it was common that people changed their names for security reasons in the times of and after the Russian Revolution. And I can imagine that the registers of people with noble names might have been robbed of information and identities and used by persons who shouldn't have nothing with that information to do. With my imagination that could even have been a good business. And there are a lot of dead and poor people who don't watch the information about themselves in registers and don't pay anything for those as they are even not interested in it any more - and maybe have no money either! Some of such identity documentation might even allow some claims of property back - who knows about the laws and divelopment in other and foreign countries! However, I told about our double but tiny Russian family in America in new surroundings to somebody and that somebody just told me not to bother. She even thought that I might have ended in some register of some religious group that is interested in already dead people and uses such in their ceremonies. I just don't want to think about it!
But it seems as if people in this global world are looking for relatives in other parts of this global world and seems to be interested in returning back to those places where their ancestors once lived. May we see some kind of new movement of "moving baci" in the coming years? Anybody can have a foreign relative suddenly ringing on the doorbella and wanting to move in!
I might recommend people to move to Russia instead as there is a society, that must be built up in a modern way and there is a lot of space! And it surely is a great country and continent! And it will be what its modern inhabitants are going to make of it! And criminality is all over in this global world, so it is nothing to bother - it surely has come to our front doors already and in the internet it comes to our livingrooms and childrens playrooms!
How did you find information about your Mattson family in Sweden? Let me know if you find more information of some Mattson families there! If you find and enter something interesting about the Huguenots, please, let me know, too. And if you enter any register, please, check also my surname "Wachsmuth" or "Waxmouth" as such should have been living in Sweden, too.
Maybe I hear something from you one day. By the way I found some new discussion forums in Finland and Sweden for people interested in genealogy and there you can also attend in English.
Greetings from Finland and Sweden,
Irmeli Grunau
irmeli.grunau@kolumbus.fi
(Helsinki-Stockholm areas)